Posts by Half banana

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What is the alternative to JW?

by Formerbrother in

i mean this with all due respect, i would like to hear from genuine people who think jw have it wrong and then what is the truth?.

im not talking about silly little quibbles here and there.. is jehovah real?

the the bible is word?

Half banana

What is the alternative to JWs if their religion is wrong? This is a good question... but only if you have had the misfortune to have had your brain specially wired by JW thinking in the first place.

JW thinking does not permit or admit any other kind of thinking and that is why ex JWs are left high and dry mentally and emotionally without their regular fix of Watchtower propaganda and JW company to perpetuate the illusion.

So it’s tough on the outside and a JW is not prepared for real life because his or her premise was that “the world” is Satan’s domain and a JW is always fretting over the boundaries between their black and white thinking as a matter of habit.

Relax friend... real life is not like this... you can learn to make your own decisions based on reason and usefulness not on religious imperative as you did before. Perhaps for the first time you can become yourself!

So in the spirit of what you meant by what alternatives are there to the JW belief; the intelligent answer has to be: become a sceptic (or skeptic if you are American). By looking behind any proposition consider why it was made, be doubtful rather than gullible, find physical evidence rather than belief and build your life on knowable things not emotional blackmail such as religions teach.

This is in agreement with what Finklestein said “get an education” which is the opposite of indoctrination... and also 007’s suggestion on how Jehovah began. Would you want to worship an ox headed idol? If Jehovah began as such, how did he also get to be the creator of the universe?

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Gems From the WT

by Slidin Fast in

just noticed this gem of a definition in the current (no 1) wt.

"lying.

saying something false to someone who is entitled to know the truth.".

Half banana

The GB mentality is that Bible morality is only for their followers, the small people. The leaders have a divinely appointed job to do so the rules don't apply to them.

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What's next?

by Grey Goose in

jw
friends

hi everyone.. thanks for the welcome a few days ago, it was nice to hear your support.. this is a pure speculation thread, but what do you think the next changes are going to be?.

will we see tything come into play?.

more evangelical style meetings?.

Half banana

Re 1914

I used to think they would ditch 1914 because it has no Biblical support but it looks like they are sticking with it and promoting it as if it were a fact. As we have been reliably informed “There is more evidence for God’s Kingdom arriving in 1914 than there is for gravity”. But it has to be remembered that this truly wonderful faith-building statement comes from people whose feet do not reach down to the ground. (Gravity for goodness sake has VISIBLE evidence you deceiving bunch of dim-wits!) What they are saying is you must have faith in the GB’s doctrine on 1914.

The organisation's problem with 1914, even though patently false, is that it is promoted as their divine stamp of approval for insight into Bible prophecy. Forget that it was meant to take place in 1874 and was based on the writings of their discredited founder Russell who in turn had borrowed the ideas from yet earlier evangelists. Even though there is no tangible evidence that Jesus returned in 1914 and that the Bible texts purporting to foretell the event lead to a different date, yet the credit for Russell’s (erroneous) insight is their only prophetic ‘success’.

If you run a doomsday cult: you gotta hang onto any semblance of divine attention. What else can their authority be conjured from? There is none...

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Who can you trust to admit you have doubts?

by MrMonroe in

(that is, doubts).

in margaret atwood's "the handmaid's tale", a futuristic story of life inside a repressive, abusive big brother-style society tightly controlled by religious fundamentalists, there's a passage in which the protagonist is alone with another woman at a state-controlled centre where prayers are generated -- then printed out and read out -- by a machine.

the other woman asks, in barely more than a whisper, "do you think god listens to these machines?

Half banana

I read Atwood's Handmaiden's Tale and it's impossible not to make a parallel with the Watchtower.

Who to trust? I think you can only do what you did and sound fellow disbelievers out.

Imagine though how hard it is now for the governing body members who have begun to see the catastrophic error of their ways!

(Would any governing body members like to let us know how the penny dropped...we will be very sympathetic with you...)

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Types attracted to the sect known as jehovahs witnesses.

by atomant in

l have observed the types of people attracted to the sect are many times unbalanced,unstable,emotionally insecure types.the jdubs seem to home in like vulchers circling the prey ,preying on the vulnerables.they tried it on me when my father who was an elder died.promising that if you become a dub you will one day see him again.l said how can you promise that when you keep making false misleading predictions.l was wondering if others have observed this phenomenon.

Half banana

It's pretty clear that religion generally is attractive to people with emotional and mental difficulties. This is not to say that all religious groups are made up of defective humans but it is very clear that the utopian dream of the Watchtower is a classic sop to the needy. Then again Christianity was designed (and I mean designed) to appeal to the down trodden masses.

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Evolution a Fact - Agreed but So What?

by LAWHFol in

in many debates between believers and non believers (nb), the nb uses evolution as some sort of proof to support the non existence of god.. i agree that evolution is a fact, however i feel that evolution is proof of some sort of benevolent original cause.. if i were to create an a.i.

, i would program into it the ability to self-refactor and evolve.. i would also randomly inject viruses into the program (evil) where the a.i.

would be forced to stretch its current capabilities & modify it's operating functions in order to get through the random virus, and continue living.. with a steady flow of different viruses, the a.i.

Half banana

,

Wire rider, the reason you are unaware of the evolutionary changes which took place in human evolution is because you have not been acquainted with the facts. If you were a Saharan nomad, you would not require fifty words to describe different types of snow.

The study of early man (paleoanthropology) could be a dry or obscure science to the outsider, partly because it is dependent on the understanding and integration of many other disciplines. To grasp the subject, firstly the concept of geological time and the pattern of climate changes including temperature, humidity, polar ice volumes and sea-level changes are keys to dating the hominin (early human) fossils which must be well understood. Secondly the geological markers including volcanic events and earth magnetic polarity reversals as well as the reading of the earth movements and sediment layers where the artefacts and or bones are found. Then there is the comparison of anatomical information to find the place within the evolutionary tree (phylogeny) built up from the record of thousands of skeletal finds from other sites. Dating the context and objects is yet another science involving radiometric analysis; the ratio of isotopes of a particular element to the standard atomic number. There are many scientific tests by different methods useful for different periods of pre-history and too technical to describe here. Other key markers of the date are the known animal, insect plant and pollen assemblages evidence of which are found in the context or matrix materials.

I think people living in North America are at a disadvantage in learning about these matters. for two reasons. one, a historically blind insistence on asserting that the Bible must be true and two, the absence of the Old World pre-history. American history is hard to discover before the Clovis culture around 12,000 BCE whereas In Europe the place is awash with paleolithic find sites. These include the Neanderthals and the early contemporaries of them Homo heidelburgensis and not forgetting the cave art of the Cro-magnons.

So to understand the history of early man you do have to wade through this sort of stuff to get there.

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My First CLAM Meeting

by The Searcher in

i carried out my monthly "cover" visit to the k.h.

tonight.

as previously discussed on this forum, the clam meeting is just a rehashed, recycled, reshuffled, & rebranded ministry school and service meeting.

Half banana

"The apathy in the congregation (barely 50% in attendance) was palpable! "

"several looked as if they'd lost the will to live."

Searcher your post is a pleasure to read...

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The Deep Things of Jehovah(tm). What are they?

by punkofnice in

i just wondered.

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Half banana

To try and find meaning in the Bible I suggest, is entirely the wrong approach. “Why was it written down?” is the question to ask.

The text attributed to Paul refers to the deep things of God, what was it?

Answer: Early Christianity was a superstition in a very long tradition of mystery cults. The outline myth being that the saviour (a demi-human Sun God) died and was sacrificed at Easter on behalf of humanity and went his way to his Sun-God father and they both shone radiantly and triumphantly their heavenly realm having conquered the darkness of winter...as the sun conspicuously does after the spring equinox.

All the ancient god-man mystery cults followed this myth. To become a communicant in the cult would originally have required you to go through an initiation process into the “sacred secrets”, to learn the “deep things of God.” It was usually performed in a long and complex ritual which involved passing through unlit subterranean chambers, stair wells and trap doors. The idea was to create intense fear in the novice and dependency on the spiritual leader. Over time and after enough rituals you too might make the grade of high priest. Incidentally in the Dionysian christ-cult one of the names the initiate took on was "Iasus". There were various levels of initiation, as retained (or imitated) in Free Masonry today, there were also levels of heaven to which the Bible writer Paul referred in his brand of mystery cult. (Funny how nobody picks up on this undiluted paganism?)

So the deep things of God were a reference to the exclusive things which only the cult hierarchy were privy to. It was for for the initiated only...(like those who believe in the sacred but unbiblical Watchtower mystery of 1919!)

Then why was it written down? To bamboozle the ignorant and poor so they reverence the “holy” mysteries and thereby become slaves under the control of the religious hierarchy.

Punky does this help at all?

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Does Jesus have wings?

by Bratbaby in

years ago when i was attacked i had giant wings wrap around me in the midst of the chaos and i knew i everything was gonna be ok.all these years i assume d they were angel wings.then last night psalm 91:4 flashed across my tv and it made me wonder if it was jesus himself so i researched on my phone and came across this site.this is my 1st post feedback welcome and ty.post.

Half banana

Even big houses have wings, anything can have wings if you want it, that's why people write story books from the human imagination.

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Is proselytizing less condescending when evolutionists do it?

by paul from cleveland in

is it just me?

Half banana

Theism may be about the "why" of things but is bears no factual evidence for its holy speculations.

If you wear a defender of the faith hat, evolution looks like an attack upon your person because it undermines your pride and joy in irrational belief.

If information comes to you having a receptive student mind, as an assessor of factual evidence; evolution is a tried and tested scientific theorum upon which we can build further insights into human health, medicine and longevity.

Medical science has already done so to the benefit of us all.

Since when did creationist belief help mankind in any way?